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production questions from the 'monkey'
skankingmonkey
Foiled Alien

Posts: 7
Posted - Mon May 3, 2004 12:03am
I'm making a buffy-fan spin-off...sort of like a TV show...it follows what happened from the very last episode of Buffy, "chosen." From another part of the world, a potential slayer has been chosen and now she will be one of the many chosen slayers to do their duty.

I have a lot of questions....

for effects
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I understand you use 3D studio max to edit your films...how does it operate exactly? Does it use a wire to connect the camera to the computer?

Do you use 3D studio and After Effects to put SFX, sounds, dialogue and BGM in it?

I think that this thing is waay to expensive for me...is there a way I can get a copy of 3DSM and AE from you? and if they use connecting cables, where can I get them?

Did you use 3ds max to make the Main Titles?

How exactly did you edit the film?

filming
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I have the Sony HI8 Camera with 20x optical...is that a good camera to film, and use with 3ds max? (yes i do see the plug for the computer)

During conversations with the characters, how can I edit the conversation in different angles without having to shoot the conversation more than once?

that's all the question so far... i will have more questions for I am barely starting my filming career...i'm only 16, geez.
foilman
Foiled Productions

Posts: 173
Location: Winchester
Posted - Tue May 4, 2004 3:45pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by "skankingmonkey"

I understand you use 3D studio max to edit your films...how does it operate exactly? Does it use a wire to connect the camera to the computer?

I only used 3D Studio Max for doing some of the effects, like the sparks coming off the ring, the floating bat, the exploding vampires and some fake stakes.

For the editing, I used Adobe Premiere. If your camera is digital, you need a firewire cable to connect to your PC - which will also need a firewire card in it. If your camera isn't digital, you need a standard TV capture card.

Quote:
Originally Posted by "skankingmonkey"

Do you use 3D studio and After Effects to put SFX, sounds, dialogue and BGM in it?

Premiere was used for adding all the soundtracks too.

Quote:
Originally Posted by "skankingmonkey"

Did you use 3ds max to make the Main Titles?

Some of the effects were done in 3ds max - like the black flying blobs - but mostly they were done with After Effects and Premiere.

Quote:
Originally Posted by "skankingmonkey"

How exactly did you edit the film?

It was just a case of capturing all the relevant clips into the PC, then using Premiere to stick them together in the right order...

Quote:
Originally Posted by "skankingmonkey"

During conversations with the characters, how can I edit the conversation in different angles without having to shoot the conversation more than once?

The only way you can achieve that, without having to film it several times, is to use more than one camera. TV shows tend to do it that way. Most films, however, will do a completely new set-up for each angle on a scene, and get the actors to do precisely the same thing over and over again. You'll probably find that what was a good lighting set-up for one angle doesn't work so well for a different angle, unless you're clever... or you're not worried about lighting!

Good luck.
skankingmonkey
Foiled Alien

Posts: 7
Posted - Fri May 7, 2004 6:14am
thanks for your time! I greatly appreciate this!

I'll be following Joss's and YOUR footsteps now, he he he.

I haven't started filming anything yet. I already have the camera, but we haven't started and it's because of these certain circumstances...

*lack of CASH first of all
*no casts...I should post some online casting thing.
*no editing softwares, because of the lack of cash, where can I buy some things that are so expensive?!
*i still have school, i'd start filming this summer once I get what I need...especially the SOFTWARES! AHH! I know a relative that may have the softwares, but i have no way to contact him.

Another question: Are there any LESS expensive software that can do the dusting trick?

again, thanks for your time!
skankingmonkey
Foiled Alien

Posts: 7
Posted - Mon May 10, 2004 7:11am
another update...

here's the image title for my show!



great yah?

ok, another q...

do you need all 3 softwares to create a low/no-budget buffy-fan show?
foilman
Foiled Productions

Posts: 173
Location: Winchester
Posted - Mon May 10, 2004 4:42pm
Nice title screen!

On the subject of cheaper software for doing the "vampire dusting" effects, take a look at Blender. I've not used it much myself, but it's free and may well be able to do it.

Theoretically you could make the entire film using free software, if you're prepared to put in a lot of time hunting things down on the web and learning how to use them. But if you have access to the expensive stuff, it saves a lot of time!!!
skankingmonkey
Foiled Alien

Posts: 7
Posted - Tue May 11, 2004 4:26am
alright, so with blender, im gonna assume that all i need is the videocard thing to wire my camera to the computer..

ok, good, thanks for that.

now all i need are casts...
foilman
Foiled Productions

Posts: 173
Location: Winchester
Posted - Tue May 11, 2004 7:36am
Well Blender will help you out with effects, but won't help you actually edit the film. But doesn't XP ship with some kind of Microsoft "movie maker" these days, anyway? No idea about that, but maybe it'll be of some use...?
skankingmonkey
Foiled Alien

Posts: 7
Posted - Wed May 12, 2004 5:56am
Yeah, movie maker doesn't add effects or edit anything, really. I haven't used it much, but what i could do so far is to edit the order of mpg's. Which I may find useful...

..now the quest to find more freeware or cheap ones, somewhat 150 dollars or so, and find the casts.

any tips on scavenging for casts?

thnx
FluffyFan524
Foiled Alien

Posts: 9
Posted - Sun May 16, 2004 12:25am
Hello! I am also making a Buffy fan-film. for casting I suggest using your friends. Even if they don't like Buffy. In my movie, which isn't going very well, I used my friends even though they know nothing of Buffy. Internet can be risky, but you CAN find GREAT actors out there. Sorry to get very off topic, but I was wondering where you got the image for the scythe? For in my fan film I am having a shot where is shows Buffy (from behind of course) holding the scythe and fighting. I was wondering if that was a model that you have on your computer.
skankingmonkey
Foiled Alien

Posts: 7
Posted - Mon May 17, 2004 1:41am
We have lots to talk about then...

why isn't your movie going well? im sorry to hear that.

and with the casts, I have already have a few friends who will be in it, but the only problem with casting friends, is that they won't be willing to film things, as for people who are interested from the internet, they atleast know what's up and how it's going to be with this.

And it's because I get too afraid to ask my friends to be in my cast or crew team...which if im going to be a future director, I should work on that.

I dunno, I have big dreams but low self esteem, if things I want to do have very low progress, I start giving up on it.

All I need are more casts, crew, equipment, costumes and props, make-up people...and hopefully I can find them soon.

::off-topic::
I've been reading this Buffy Season 8 fan fiction from the Informant, (www.geocities.com/someplacethatiselse) and he had an update about his brother making him an original, real, copy of the scythe. It's completely real, made with steel and leather and all that. He had a picture so I took it (shhhh!).
foilman
Foiled Productions

Posts: 173
Location: Winchester
Posted - Mon May 17, 2004 5:49pm
For Fluffy, I stuck adverts up all over the internet, on newsgroups and forums and bulletin boards relating to Buffy. Once we had enough people, I stopped advertising, and held some auditions.

At the same time, most of the crew were existing friends (and the ones that weren't then are now!!) and some of the cast were too. The advantage of working with people you know is that you already know you get along ok and you know what they're really like, whereas people picked off the internet you've only got the auditions to figure out if they're going to turn up to all of the shoots and how good they're going to be.

It is good fun - that's the main thing to remember. As long as everyone has a good time making it, that should hopefully come across when you watch it back...
Iyouboushi
Foiled Alien

Posts: 2
Posted - Wed Jun 2, 2004 2:46am
I'm not the monkey but I got a question for you.

At what FPS did you film your fan film at? The reason I'm asking is that it does not look like what typical camcorders (digital or other) record. Say, if I record myself doing a scene and look at it on the computer or television it seems totally different than the fan film here. I don't want to say it looks clearer or more fluid, because I'm not sure that'd be the correct way to describe it, but I do know it looks different.

I'm just curious on why this is so.
foilman
Foiled Productions

Posts: 173
Location: Winchester
Posted - Wed Jun 2, 2004 7:41am
Well spotted!

It was shot on a normal PAL videocamera, which is 25 frames per second, 50 fields per second. But to save time doing the special effects, I "deinterlaced" the entire thing, effectively removing one field from each frame, making it just 25 frames per second. As the effects usually involve doing something to each frame, that's half as much work to do the effects
Iyouboushi
Foiled Alien

Posts: 2
Posted - Thu Jun 3, 2004 9:26pm
That's a pretty smart idea. I'll have to keep that one in mind.
skankingmonkey
Foiled Alien

Posts: 7
Posted - Fri Jun 4, 2004 4:23am
Okay, so the casts thing hopefully will go well :/
How'd you get the 'vampire' actors? the ones in the count's lair

Okay, also, you music scores and a song from a band in your fan-film, but did you pay royalties or have 'rights' with their permission? because I wanna use some a really good song and I want to put it in my film. But I read about the whole rights thing and the companies can charge up to thousands of dollars...:/ So yeah... i don't want to pay that! lol.
foilman
Foiled Productions

Posts: 173
Location: Winchester
Posted - Fri Jun 4, 2004 8:16am
All the vampires in the lair were friends or friends of friends, plus one or two random people who turned up. They had a really "interesting" day, lounging around in the background of the shots while we did all the fun stuff!

All the music was done for us by "Noscaferatu" (two of the vampires in the lair!) - you can see a bit about them here.

If you want to sell copies of your film, you will need permission for any music in it. Most festivals will also want to know that you've got permission before they'll screen it. In some of our other films we haven't got permission for the music (basically because it would cost way too much) so we can't sell them and the places we can screen them is limited too...

Best suggestion: get friendly with some local bands!
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